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SPOILER ALERT: Secrets of the newest book and speculation about the conclusion of the series are below. Read at you own risk. I solemnly swear that I am up to no good.
I don’t want to put any spoilers out on the internet concerning Harry Potter and the Half-Brood Prince, especially the fact that Severus kills Albus (oops), but I’m dying to discusss the latest book. Jenn still hasn’t read Order of the Phoenix and my mother-in-law is only 200 pages in. So here I am stuck with no one to talk to but the blog.
Hello, blog? Wanna hear a theory? You do? Great!
Here it is: Harry Potter is the sixth Horcrux. Shocking!, you say? Surely you saw it coming? Lemme break it down.
Here, in no particular order, are the Horcruxes as I have determined them:
1) Tom Riddle’s diary (seen in Book 2: Chamber of Secrets)
2) Marvolo’s ring (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
3) Slytherin’s “S” locket (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
4) The Hufflepuff Cup (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
5) Something from Ravenclaw (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
6) Harry Potter (pretty much the entire series, really, but the story is originally told in Sorcerer’s Stone. Thinking back, it sounds like Lily Potter’s death was the fuel for turning Harry into a Horcrux and the lightning-bolt scar is the evidence)
It would be the perfect strategy on Voldemort’s part. The prophecy states that neither can survive while the other lives. What better way to assure yourself that Harry Potter will die and the prophecy will keep you (Voldemort) alive than to split part of your soul into his body.
This action would explain Voldemort’s disapperance after the act, Harry’s parseltongue abilities and his psychic link to Voldemort. It seems very clear, but also very obvious.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Tom Riddle made Ginny the Horcrux sometime during Chaber of Secrets. Maybe Dumbledore was right about the snake, Nagini, being a Horcrux. Or maybe, just maybe, I’m right and Harry will somehow have to rid himself of Voldemort’s soul or die trying.
In any event, we’ll all be waiting for Book 7 with bated breath to see how this wonderful series ends. Until then, I’m re-reading them all.
UPDATE: Others supporting my assessment about Harry being a Horcrux.
A Small Victory
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UPDATE II: I’ve written another post, as promised, detailing my other views about the events in Book 7 as well as expounding a bit on my original theory.
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zoogies
July 25th, 2005 at 12:25 am
Well…at least you gave a spoiler alert and didn’t have “SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE” in the blog title…stupid accidental technorati search is how I got my HP6 spoiled before owning a copy…
That Harry is a horcrux is an intruiging theory, but I don’t think so, just because it wouldn’t make very much sense for J.K. Rowling to end the series on that sort of note. I wasn’t aware that you could make people horcruxes either - remember how Dumbledore said it would be risky to even make a snake a horcrux? Voldemort was unaware about Harry’s connection until the end of book 5.
Seth
July 25th, 2005 at 12:32 am
Voldemort wasn’t completely unaware. In HP6 we learn that Snape and Wormtail informed him of the prophecy soon after it had been given. If Voldemort hadn’t found a Gryffindoor artifact, the next best thing would be the first-born child of two powerful ex-Gryffindoor’s.
Kate
July 26th, 2005 at 12:20 pm
This idea occurred to me as well. I have always thought the prophecy might mean that Harry has to die in order for Voldemort to die. If that’s true, it really sucks. I’m wondering what kind of psychological damage the children who read Harry Potter will sustain if he dies in the end.
Kizz
August 5th, 2005 at 9:19 am
i dnt think so, he obv made the horcruxes before the prophecy to become all powerful and therefore didnt even know abt harry. he then heard the prophecy and realised a possible downfall and tried to kill harry.
mike
August 6th, 2005 at 4:22 am
The idea of Harry as a horcrux intrigues me, but I think that Voldemort went beyond the potentials of magic when attempting to make Harry a horcrux - in other words, he stretched his soul too thin. This would explain his unusual disappearance as well as Harry’s scar. I now ponder whether Harry actually became the horcrux or if the spell simply freaked out and went kaBLAMO all over Voldemort’s new shoes.
Georgie
August 6th, 2005 at 7:40 am
The Harry Horcrux issue has become a contentious issue at my place. I agree that it has some plausibility, but I don’t think, if he is a horcrux, that voldemort did it intentionally. I also think that the editors for the 7th book would put their foot down if Harry was to die as his entire life has sucked and they are meant to be childrens books.
Aliza
August 6th, 2005 at 9:51 am
Ok just to answer all of your questions –
1. Harry IS a horcrux and he WILL die. The series will not continue and it all makes sense. Also, last year Daniel Radcliff, the guy who actually PLAYS Harry Potter stated that he thought Harry would die in the 7th book because of all the evidence.
2. Snape is not evil.
3. R.A.B is probably Regulus * Black (this one i’m unsure about)
Seth
August 6th, 2005 at 10:03 am
Thanks for all the comments, folks! Since I’m high on Google’s search (#1 today for ‘harry potter horcrux’) I’ll post a follow-up later today that more accurately addresses how I think the series might end. Deaths, for sure, but maybe not Harry.
Chuck
August 6th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
I don’t think Harry’s the horcrux, unless Dumbledore is simply flat-out wrong about what happened the night James and Lily were killed. Dumbledore believes that LV was going to use Harry’s murder to create a horcrux. He couldn’t very well be a horcrux if he was the one who got murdered! I can’t believe that Dumbledore is that far off, after all the research he’s done on LV.
Also, if LV made Harry a horcrux, wouldn’t he have realized the connection he had with Harry’s mind a lot quicker in OotP? Seems like he had no idea that there was this psychic connection, even when Harry had the vision of Mr. Weasley being attacked at the Ministry. I would think that LV would’ve realized that Harry would be able to see his thoughts and vice/versa sooner, if he’d made Harry a horcrux.
And I think that it makes sense that Regulus is RAB.
Seth
August 6th, 2005 at 7:05 pm
Chuck,
Dumbledore admitted that his mistakes were likely to be worse than most men, because of his great talent and intellect. It wouldn’t be too hard to imagine that Dumbledore underestimated Voldemort, and that Harry was made the Horcrux.
stacey
August 7th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
I like the idea that voldemorts soul was split too thin, if indeed that is what he did (make harry the 6th horcrux) at godric’s hollow.
someone said something about not being sure people could be made into horcruxes… do you really think voldemort would care about accidently killing the boy prophesised to kill him??
has anyone thought harry could have been made the 6th horcrux to bring voldemort back to life in Pheonix? thats why Voldemort insisted oin using harry. and why he told his death eaters not to kill him. and also explains to gleam of triumph- after harry explains what happened and what voldemort did is that oh so famous gleam, perhaps it was triumph of being right, of finding another horcrux, being closer to destroying voldemort.
Mostly Muppet Dot Com
August 7th, 2005 at 3:11 pm
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux
I may be using the “redux” title too often or, more importantly, incorrectly, but I digress.
One of the most popular posts (in terms of hits, clickthroughs, comments, trackbacks and search engine ranking) is my assertion that Harry Potter…
riki
August 8th, 2005 at 2:48 am
i think your all lookin intoit to much and need to wait for the book. But if you are right which is a possibility then I’d think I would die with harry cause I couldn’t imagine that happening!!!! CAN”T WAIT FOR THE NEXT BOOK!!!
cz
August 8th, 2005 at 11:25 am
I think the prophecy refers to Dumbledore and NOT Voldemort, Dumbledore must die so that Harry can live. In addition Dumbledore was a horcrux and Snape is actually good and knew this. This is why he made the pact with Malfoy’s mother. Because Dumbledore had to die so Harry could live and to destroy Voldemort.
Seth
August 8th, 2005 at 11:29 am
cz,
That’s the most interesting take I’ve heard yet. I’ll have to think about it more, but I can see where you’re coming from and where you’re going. I don’t know that I agree totally, but there are threads of a plausible theory.
Bea
August 8th, 2005 at 12:12 pm
Interesting theory…
I don’t believe Dumblemore was wrong on Snape, so i agree with cz. Snape had to kill him to do whatever needs be in order to get the complete trust of Voldemort, in the same way that Dumblemore ordered Haryy to obey him whatever. That is also why D is begs Snape, to kill him, not give up at that stage. That is also why Snape prevents Harry to be killed by other death eaters when they flew away from Howard.
Maybe Harry is a Horcrux, but Voldemort did it accidentaly, so wasn’t aware of it, and maybe Harry is strong enough not to have to die and can keep the bit of Voldemort soul inside him contained (a bit like Frodo and the ring). Maybe with the powerful love of Ginny he can beat the evil inside him…
Will be interesting to see!
Chuck
August 8th, 2005 at 1:16 pm
The prophecy can not refer to Dumbledore. Remember that it says “either must die at the hand of the other”. Since Dumbledore didn’t die at the hand of LV (or Harry), the prophecy couldn’t have refered to him.
I also think it very likely that Dumbledore is not really dead. Remember when he is trying to convince Draco to leave LV’s service. Draco objects saying that LV would kill him, and Dumbledore tells him he can hide him so that EVERYONE will think he’s dead. I think this is what Dumbledore himself did, with Snape’s help. Dumbledore put Harry in a full-body bind so that he could not try to run to the rescue and ruin the plan.
Adriane
August 9th, 2005 at 12:27 am
Wow… this horcrux business intrigues me. I believe there are 7 horcruxes, not six, because LV deemed the number 7 as having powerful magical properties, see top of pg 503 of HBP). I haven’t back-tracked to figure them all out, but I think Harry’s SCAR (and not Harry) is where the horcrux is “embedded” much like a parasite. Another is Nagini (LV’s snake); the locket; the journal; Marvolo’s ring; the Hufflepuff cup… which leaves one other relic… perhaps from Ravenclaw. So… how are they destroyed then? Or ‘reconstitued’?
I’m very curious to know how horcruxes are created, and how a person’s soul can become that fragmented, and still remain somewhat intact and functional. Without all of his “parts” I imagine Voldemort can not be as powerful as the sum of all his parts. I don’t believe Dumbledore is dead, either, although it is perhaps wishful thinking on my part.
JKR says that by the end of the story, Harry will face his final battle alone; so my guess is that she will have stripped all support from friends and family that have supported Harry up until that point, whether by killing off key characters or leading Harry to believe that they will be killed as a result of his association with them (and thus resulting in self-inflicted isolation).
Tom Riddle (or LV) presents classic symptoms of being a sociopath; essentially a serial killer–a Jim Jones or Charles Manson or Hilter of sorts. Serial killers collect relics from their victims. Interesting parallels here.
I’m rereading the books once again, while I await the last instalment. My hat’s off to JKR, for creating this great series. I’ll certainly miss the characters once the story comes to an end… I felt the same way about Jack L. Chalker’s “Soul Rider” series when the 7 books were written (and read).
Cheers,
Adriane
sp
August 9th, 2005 at 6:23 am
My theory to who R.A.B. is: in hp 5 at grimwauld place sirius is showing harry his family tree. he tells harry about his brother regulas black(RAB). He said he was a close death eater to voldemort who was killed by voldemort because he wanted to leave the death eaters(he went AWOL).
Now on page 569 of hp6 harry reads RAB’s note which said “to the dark lord I know i will be long dead before you read this but i want you to know it was i who found out about your secret. i will destroy and in the face of death i hope you will be mortal once you meet your match.”
The theory behind this is that RAB knew he was going to die because voldemort found out he knew how to destroy him but had to kill him in case it ever leaked out. in the prospect of facing death RAB decided to destroy the horcrux and then he was murdered by voldemort soon after he destroyed the horcrux before harry was born.
The middle initial of RAB (A) is probably sirius and regulus father who hasnt been mentioned directly by sirius in any of the books.
IN THE LAST BOOK HARRY WOULD HAVE DESTROYED EVERY HORCRUX APART FROM 1 WHICH WILL BE HIM. HE WILL KILL HIMSELF IN ORDER FOR VOLDEMORT TO BECOME MORTAL. HE WILL KILL SNAPE AND MALFOY WILL BE KILLED BY VOLDEMORT. BELLATRIX LESTRANGE WILL ALSO BE KILLED. BILL AND LUPIN WILL KILL FENRIR GREYBACK(THE WEREWOLF) AND THERE WONT HARRYS 7TH YEAR OF HOGWARTS AS HE DOESNT ATTEND AND FIGHTS FOR THE ORDER. HOWEVER HE MAY ATTEND HOGWARTS TO BECOME AN AUROR.
i hate snape
Bea
August 9th, 2005 at 8:19 am
wow sp, that’s a lot of killing!
Ur theory on RAB is v convincing, but remains the question of how many horcrux are left. Maybe he destroyed more than just that one.
Now, I don’t think Harry will kill Snape. I wouldn’t be surprised if Snape died trying to kill Voldemort, in a dramatic scene where everything looks lost for ever, Snape evil as ever, but suddenly he turns against Voldemort, doesn’t manage to kill him but weakens him enough to enable Harry to finish him (at the end, Harry is just a beginner, he is not so skilled a wizard).
Now, my theory is that Snape was in love with Harry’s mother (she was supposed to be v skilled in potion, v nice girl and pretty) despite calling her mudblood and maybe had a trade with Voldemort who would kill Harry’s father and give the girl to him. Indeed, Harry’s father is killed directly, but Lily is killed “by accident” as she took Harry’s charm on her. Snape, mad of love and sadness, then turned to Dumblemort to seek revenge against Voldemort. That is why Dumblemore trusted him until the end.
Don’t call him a coward
Chuck
August 9th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Adriane said, “I believe there are 7 horcruxes, not six, because LV deemed the number 7 as having powerful magical properties”. I think, Adriane, that there are only six horcruxes b/c the 7th piece of LV’s soul would’ve had to remain in his mortal body. If he’d made 7 horcruxes, then there would actually have been 8 pieces to his soul (7 stored, and 1 residing in his body), and that would’ve ruined the whole point of the multiple horcruxes. Just my guess.
Chuck
August 9th, 2005 at 4:17 pm
Seth, why does the page tell me that my posts “look suspiciously like spam”? Can I post in a different format or something to avoid this? Thanks.
Seth
August 9th, 2005 at 4:27 pm
Spam Karma has marked the post as “old” and is forcing moderation for all comments. No worries, though. I’m seeing them all and approving them.
Emily
August 10th, 2005 at 3:02 pm
actually if you recall in the 6th book it said that a horcrux takes a death to create. no matter what may be said, there is and always was a connection between LV and Harry. i think the reason why he didnt recall it b4 was because he was not powerful enough. he noticed in the 5th book…and that was after he had been placed in a body. just before then he couldnt travel alone. so i think that makes perfect sense. on another foot, ive herd many rumors that Snape isnt really bad, that this was all part of the plan. Dumbledore had always said that there are worse things than death…but i never would have thought he would plan his own. i think that Snape is EVIL and nothing but. Draco on the other hand i think is going to be put in a really awkward state. he had always grown up to only know the dark arts, but never actually see it first hand. then he had the chance…and he didnt do it. to be honest, i think that if no one had come up there Draco would have taken Dumbledores offer. who knows…Draco may actually be good inside, but he is now trapped within LV grasp. LV knows what is in Dracos mind and will soon find out how he really feels…*wondering* if he will die because of his stupidity?? i think Harry is going to die…i personaly dont look at this as a “kids” book. there have been a lot of dark things and JKR has never plaied it to make it seem that life is all *fun and games*…she makes it real…not the fairy tale endings. yes, people will move on, but Harry will take his life to kill LV (whitch will also die). a lot of people are going to be hert in this movie…but love will shine threw.
Chuck
August 11th, 2005 at 1:41 pm
Emily said: ” but Harry will take his life to kill LV (whitch will also die). ” A couple people have said this, which seems to go along with the Harry-as-horcrux theory. But again, this ignores the prophecy which says that either Harry or LV must die “at the hand of the other”. If Harry kills himself, it would not be at the hand of the other. Not gonna happen (I hope!).
Mostly Muppet Dot Com
August 11th, 2005 at 4:20 pm
Blogging Harry Potter
Given the traffic and comments on my two recent posts about the last Harry Potter book, I think I’m on to something. Here are the links for the interested:
Harry Potter: Horcrux
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux
Regardless of whether or not you agre…
Chuck
August 14th, 2005 at 7:45 pm
At Dumbledore’s funeral, Harry thought he caught a glimpse of a phoenix in the smoke. My daughter’s theory is that Dumbledore is an animagus who takes the shape of a phoenix, and thus has the ability to rise from his ashes.
mike
August 16th, 2005 at 3:53 pm
1)i think r.a.b is Regulus Black, for the points given above and the letter says ‘dark lord’ and only deatheaters have ever calle him that as fsr as im aware in the books
2)i think the snape being good is a good theroy and him being in love with harry mom is also very gd and i wouldnt b suprised if thats wat happens
3)ppl keep saying that LV ‘knew’ he had 2 kill harry and used him as a Horcrux but dumbledore says that lv only knew part of the prophecy and did not know about one must die at the hand of the other.
4) but that would have to be wrong for my 4th theory, i think harry may be a horcrux and i think that the prophecy was not about harry but about neville longbottom. so i think harry will die and neville will kill LV, there are holes in this theory thou because it says(in the prophecy) that the person will be made an equal. but my answer to that would be that dumbledore says not all prophecys are not forfilled, there for maybe only part of a prophecy will be forfilled? also nevilles parents were nearly killed so that coulld have somthing to do with it?
sry about that being so long, any comments would be welcome on this because there are gaps in these theories that i cannot answer
mike
August 16th, 2005 at 3:53 pm
1)i think r.a.b is Regulus Black, for the points given above and the letter says ‘dark lord’ and only deatheaters have ever calle him that as fsr as im aware in the books
2)i think the snape being good is a good theroy and him being in love with harry mom is also very gd and i wouldnt b suprised if thats wat happens
3)ppl keep saying that LV ‘knew’ he had 2 kill harry and used him as a Horcrux but dumbledore says that lv only knew part of the prophecy and did not know about one must die at the hand of the other.
4) but that would have to be wrong for my 4th theory, i think harry may be a horcrux and i think that the prophecy was not about harry but about neville longbottom. so i think harry will die and neville will kill LV, there are holes in this theory thou because it says(in the prophecy) that the person will be made an equal. but my answer to that would be that dumbledore says not all prophecys are not forfilled, there for maybe only part of a prophecy will be forfilled? also nevilles parents were nearly killed so that coulld have somthing to do with it?
sry about that being so long, any comments would be welcome on this because there are gaps in these theories that i cannot answer
mike
August 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pm
5) i just thought that maybe hp does kill lv and he becomes the D.A.D.A’s teacher thus ending lvs ‘curse’ on the job since he was refused it by AD (book 6)
Bea
August 17th, 2005 at 4:46 am
I agree with Mike regarding Nelville part. I am sure he will have quite a big role in the last book, although his participation in HP6 was not great. i DON’T THINK hARRY WILL DIE, BUT nELVILLE MIGHT BE KILLED TO SAVE HIM, THEREOFRE FULLFILLING THE PROPHECY.
(sorry for the caps, wrong manip!)
Evan
August 17th, 2005 at 3:59 pm
Even thought Dumbledore’s picture is in the office, it may not mean that he is dead. As it was stated in the book, after hearing of the death, McGonagall took up the position as Head-Mistress, thereby making Dumbledore a past Headmaster. This would explain why his picture is up. Also, it is unknown if someone must be dead in order to be in a picture….should be revealed in book 7.
Also, I do not think that Snape killed Dumbledore. If you lookup the description of the Avada Kedavra curse in previous books, the spell simply causes instant death. However, Dumbledore flew up and over the castle wall. Snape possibly used a different, non-lethal unspoken curse. Another reason that DD is not dead: he showed Harry several memories that he took from a glass vial. If he was the real DD, why didn’t he simply pull them from his head?
And finally, I believe that the Sorting Hat is a horcrux. The Hat reveals in a song that it one belonged to Godric Gryffindor - makes sense that Voldemort would enchant it.
Chuck
August 17th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
How would LV have gotten his hands on the sorting hat to make it a horcrux?
I agree that it’s still possible that the prophecy applies to Neville. I really do hope that he plays a HUGE role in Book 7.
nichole
August 17th, 2005 at 7:21 pm
i agree that RAB is regulus black, and i think the locket is still in grimmauld place. it’s mentioned briefly while everyone is cleaning towards the beginning of book 5 that they found a locket that no one could open-didn’t mean anything at the time but after reading book 6…
i also think dumbledore is alive. every other time we see the avada kedvra curse, the people just fall dead. so why did dumbledore fly in the air and off the tower? also, the point of the DADA classes this year was NONVERBAL spells, and we also know that for the killing curse to work you have to actually mean it. i propose that snape actually used a different spell nonverbally and faked the killing curse. and the reason that dumbledore used the full body bind curse on harry wasn’t just so that he wouldnt get involved, but also so he would be a witness. nobody will deny the validity of what harry says these days, and if harry truly thinks dumbledore is dead, then so will voldemort and the rest of the wizarding community. perhaps dumbledore took some of the draught of living death (or whatever the potion is called) and is just in a deep sleep. i also think the whole point of the half-blood prince story line was to reveal to harry and co, as well as the readers, that snape is in actuality an extremely talented wizard. so who else besides him would be equipped to pull of the task of fooling voldemort. also, where the heck was fawkes? at the end of book 5 fawkes shows up at the ministry and saves dumbledore, so where was he that night? or maybe he didnt show up because there really wasn’t a true reason for him too…
i think the dumbledore being an animagus theory is interesting.
zachman
August 18th, 2005 at 5:06 am
Who doesn’t think RAB is regulus? you can stop posting “I think its Sirius’s brother” posts. if you havent noticed, everybody came to that same conclusion before reading the first sentence after the letter. And if you happened to think you were the only one to come to that conclusion before getting on this forum, you should have been able to see that they dont need you to repeat it, because about a zillion other people have said it already!!!!!
Dumbledore animagus theory…. interesting….. but can wizards/ witches turn into magical beasts? i guess if anyone can it would be dumbledore, but would they ahve the magical properties? unless he wasnt dead, just flying away… maybe its just a bird, and not a phoenix….
Ashritha
August 18th, 2005 at 5:10 am
hi,
i don’t think HP is a horcrux. LV has been trying to kill HP ever since we’ve known about the both of them. If HP is a horcrux LV wud know abt it and it wud be mighty stupid on his part to destroy a part of his own soul by killing HP.
Also i agree that R.A.B. is in fact Regulus (A) Black. Though i do not know wat “A” stands for. Also in hp5 while cleaning up the Ancient House of the Black harry and the others discover a locket in the cabinet. It may have been left there by R.A.B. after having destroyed that part of LV’s soul.
And i dont think that AD can in any way be a horcrux as LV wud not have ordered malfoy to kill him then and thus “destroy a precious part of LV’s soul”.He was said to be very angry wen he heard abt his diary being destroyed….right???
Nyways let me knw wat u think..
Cheers…..ASH
Mark Evans
August 18th, 2005 at 2:47 pm
I totally agree that locket is in Grimmauld place after Regulus nicked it but I’d bet my broomstick that Mundungus has nicked it with all that other stuff as this detail seemed slightly pointless within the overall context of bk 6 - usually everything JKR writes is significant, that’s her brilliance.
Josh
August 23rd, 2005 at 6:24 pm
In HP5, AD tells HP that LV made Harry one of the individuals the prophecy was about by trying to kill him. Neville will not be the one to kill LV.
Catherine
August 30th, 2005 at 11:22 am
hello, r u all 4gettin the prophecy we r told that snape only heard the first half of the prophecy there4 voldermort wuld not no that either he had 2 kill harry or harry had 2 kill him all he knew was the 1 with the power 2 vanquish the lord approches ect ect. if he didnt no the 2nd half why on earth wuld he make harry a horcrux. However he did intend 2 use harrys life 4 the last 1…….if this is true we cannot b sure he ever got 2 7. As 4 R.A.B, thats obvios sein as sirius also has alot of relatives whos names begin wiv a nd finaly sirius is not dead, go on the harry potter website nd ull find stuff 2 do wiv the mirror……we never see his dead body either, either sirius is alive or harry is goin 2 die, i dont no nd snape is definately evil, he killed dumbledore! nd thoose who belive he isnt dead need 2 return 2 the part where he makes an unbreakable vow that he will kill him if malfoy cannot.
Bea
August 31st, 2005 at 8:44 am
Catherine,
The all point of killing Dumblemore is to get the compete trust of Vold, not so easy to get. If Dumblemore was already condemned to die because of the potion, then Snape is just easing his pain. Remember, D. is begging him. He wouldn’t do that to save his life, but for something much more important.
I believe Snape will die in the 7th book either saving Harry or attempting to kill Voldemort. And I agree with you, D. is really dead.
And I do insist, Snape was in love with Harry’s mother, which was the cause of him becoming evil (frustration, she married somebody else) and good (anger, Vold killed the only person he truly loved)
Bea
Catherine
August 31st, 2005 at 1:46 pm
Im beginin 2 think u r right bout snape actually i take it back, wots ur opinian on the hrry horcrux
Michael
September 3rd, 2005 at 11:59 pm
“Voldemort wasn’t completely unaware. In HP6 we learn that Snape and Wormtail informed him of the prophecy soon after it had been given. If Voldemort hadn’t found a Gryffindoor artifact, the next best thing would be the first-born child of two powerful ex-Gryffindoor’s. ”
Seth, please document this for us. I went back through #6 and this is simply not the case.
Voldemort does not know the prophecy. IF HE DID, WHY WOULD HE HAVE THE DEATH EATERS GO TO THE MOM TO STEAL IT? Why spend a year of your life trying to find out something you know?
Given that Voldemort does not know the last half of the prophecy (It is stated that ONLY Harry and Dumbledore know the entire thing), he would NOT make Harry a horcrux. He did not go to Godric’s Hollow with that intention (of making Harry a horcrux; he did intend to make one, but of an object). Given that he only heard the first part, he went with the intention that he was going to kill the person with the power to vanquish him… he did not know he would had powers he knew not of (LOVE) or that he would mark him as his equal. All he thought was that if he killed Harry, no one could defeat him.
Now, is it possible that Harry was ACCIDENTLY made the horcrux… sure, although I for one think JK has a little to much originality than to rehash an old plot device such as this… but I might be wrong. But if you really go back and read the books closely, there is nothing to support that Voldemort intentionally turned Harry into a Horcrux. Ignoring the prophecy, if he did do it, why would he try to kill him at the end of GoF and OotP? Why would he destroy a piece of his soul knowingly?
Personally, I agree that Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore’s orders to keep Draco alive (because he is just that type of person) and because Dumbledore realizes that Harry is the most important aspect. Snape will die in book 7, but I think he does it to save Harry… Maybe during their duel Voldemort is about to win and Snape saves him, in which Bellatrix or more likely Voldemort, kills Snape. I also think Wormtail sacrifices himself to save Harry too, mainy because it was hinted at in the end of PoA. (The part about how when one wizard saves another’s life there is a primal debt, yada yada yada). I am hoping this is when Bellatrix gets killed (Wormtail making amends for getting James Killed). I also tend to agree with the theory that Harry is a decendant of Gryffendor… which is why I think that Voldemort gets killed with the sword… given that the wands can’t duel each other. Which brings up another question, I wonder if Olivander is dead, or if he is being forced to make a new wand… not sure, just wondering.
Michael
September 4th, 2005 at 12:14 am
I have seen the Dumbledore alive theory and the reaction to Avada Kedavra i the main reason given usually. Not sure yet… I think he is dead, but I can’t fully debunk this yet. Frank Bryce crumpled. The spider flipped on its back but it also said Ron backed up as it skidded toward him. We don’t truly know what happened when Harry died.
It is possible Dumbledore was close enough to the edge that when he died he fell as well. It also is possible there was a screw up as well. It has happened before… GoF springs to mind with the reversing of the order of Harry’s parents death in the American Version. Still not sure, but it would be a question I would ask JK if I could… Does Avada Kedavra have any type of recoil on the body? Do they just fall to the ground or is the body pushed back from the rushing force of the curse?
Mostly Muppet Dot Com
September 6th, 2005 at 4:03 pm
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux Redoubled
For the last time (two previous posts here and here), here are the pertinent details that lead to my theory that Harry Potter is the sixth and final Horcrux created by Lord Voldemort to shield his soul from death:
Facts:
1) Lord Voldemort knows the …
Blogging Harry Potter
September 6th, 2005 at 4:06 pm
Harry Potter: Horcrux
This post is also cross-posted on my personal blog, but it’s definitely worth sharing here.
For the last time (two previous posts here and here), here are the pertinent details that lead to my theory that Harry Potter is the sixth and final Hor…
Devin
September 16th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
I think the prophecy refers to Dumbledore and NOT Voldemort, Dumbledore must die so that Harry can live. In addition Dumbledore was a horcrux and Snape is actually good and knew this. This is why he made the pact with Malfoy’s mother. Because Dumbledore had to die so Harry could live and to destroy Voldemort. o DMBEST COMMENT EVER within the prophecy it is clearly reffering to THE DARK LORD. i am hoping that you are not so shortsighted as to see that dumbledore is not the dark lord, and seeing that besides voldemorts job interview, his only other incounter with dumbledore was at the ministry, where it plainly does not state that he went through the proccess to make dumbledore a horcrux. Although i believe that albuses death was planned and severus is still a good guy, dumbledore hopefully woldve told harry about him being a horcrux, as to not confuse him in his search for them in book 7.
Flameboyy
September 18th, 2005 at 9:33 pm
I think that Harry could be a horcrux. Voldemort may have made him a horcrux when tryin to kill him accidentaly as a lot of u guys say. Maybe Voldemort hasn’t even realized this, and we know that avada kedabra never failed before, so we don’t know the effect for it. But talking about horcruxes, couldn’t be a possibility to take that part of Voldemort soul out of Harry? because we know that destroying the horcrux is a way to get rid of that part of the soul, but there might be a possbility to separate them again, just as Dumbledore purified the ring. If Voldemort had six horcruxes and one part of his soul inside him, the harry would be the seventh horcrux, made by mistake and this disables de magical properties of the seven, so when LV attacked Harry, he ended with his immortality, and all because of the effect of the love protection charm that Lily made on Harry with the Avada Kedabra.
Also I think that Dumbledore let Snape kill him to go and try to find out something about LV plans. Dumbledore wouldn’t let either Draco or Snape die because of the Unbreakable Vow, so he had to die. Dumbledore was such a wise wizard, he said that there were worse things than death, and maybe he knows a way to preserve himself from death, he wouldn’t just leave the Order of the Phoenix by themselves, he must be helping a bit… maybe through a picture or something like that. That goes also for Sirius, but I think they are both dead. Dumbledore died intentionally, that’s why Fawkes didn’t come out to help him, and Snape must have not killed him with an Avada Kedabra, because he would have really meant to kill him. He didn’t use words so maybe he used another spell.
I think that the parts of LV souls are in Lv himself, Harry accidentally, Nagini (that’s confirmed because Harry could see what Nagini did when attacking Arthur), the diary, the one Dumbledore destroyed which is Marvolo’s ring, the cup, the locket, which must be in Grimmauld Place or stolen as some people have said (I’ve read a couple of forums in this page). For the eight one (that would count six horcruxes, voldemort’s piece, and harry’s accidentally made horcrux) I agree with the theory of Ravenclaw’s wand, because ollivander’s shop is so old that there may be a lot of secrets in that place, that’s the reason why Mr’. Ollviander dissapeared, maybe he is searching for Ravenclaw’s wand or he knows where it is.
Neville is not a possibillity because as Dumbledore said, Voldemort chose Harry to be his enemy. At the end of the story, Harry will have already taken the horcrux form inside of him and will defeat Voldemort with the help of love, wuthout his wands both also, and I’m sure that Wormtail will help him, because of the bond he got when Harry saved him from death. Snape will try to protect Draco all the way in book 7 because LV will try to punish him because he didn’t murder Dumbledor. Obviously i think that Bellatrix and other bad guys will die or get their punishment. I still can’t think about the characters who will die in the seventh book, except for LV.
I thnik I’ve read so many forums that my theory has got to be quite possible, because I’ve been rereding the book also, and there are no contradictions to this.
jake
September 24th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Harry is absolutely the 6th Horcrux, and Dumbledore knew it (top of p. 333, Chamber of Secrets:
D: “. . . . Unless I’m much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I’m sure . . . . ”
H: “Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?” Harry said, thunderstruck.
D: “It certainly seems so”
gila
September 27th, 2005 at 3:15 pm
Noway Harry is a horcrux!
If Voldemort was using lily or james as the murder to make harry one then why should he try to kill harry immediatly afterwards? and continue to try killing him in all the books? And anyway, you don’t just accidentally make a horcrux. It says in several places that it takes some seriously dark and advanced magic to make one.
Or maybe it just routine after making five pieces of soul.. oops, I did it again, whoopy, theres another one! Dunno… does that sound like the dark lord to you?
The A in RAB could be “Alphard”, the uncle. A lot of people have second names after their uncles, like Ron for instance. Somewhere i saw that RAB stood for Regulus Arcturus Black. Haven’t got a clue where they found that name though.
As Flameboyy just said, Snape could have used any spell that imitates the adava kedavra since the book is all about non-verbal spells and not letting others know what you intend to do.
Just not sure if the unbreakable vow can see through it all or if there is no time-limit to when he has to be killed.
Owl
September 29th, 2005 at 2:29 am
Dumbledore and Snape planned that Snape would either kill or at least appear to kill Dumbledore. I don’t know if Dumbledore is actually dead - his death, like that of Sirious, occurs off set so it is hard to be sure. There is no need for Harry to die if he is a Horcrux. Dumbledore learned, and with Snape’s help, survived the process of removing the curse protecting LV soul contained in the ring. That knowledge will help remove LV’s soul from Harry as well. Also, how do we know exactly how Harry’s Mom died. Sure she begged to spare Harry’s life, but why would LV kill Harry and not her as well. He killed her not only because she could try to defend herself (and her son) but to use her and James to set the Horcrux spell into Harry. Using Harry as a Horcrux is great protection for LV. Even if he does not know the details of the proficy, LV assumes that it comes down to him or Harry. By making Harry his Horcrux, he has covered all possiblities. If he kills Harry, he does not need the bit of his soul that resided in Harry. If Harry kills LV, LV gets another chance to come back, reclaim his soul and try again.
I like the theory about Snape and Lilly. His distain for Harry is transferred jealousy of James whom Harry so resembles. Yet out of love for Lilly and loyality to Dumbledore, and perhaps hatred of LV, Snape prevents Harry from using and unforgivable curse. Snape was not just protecting himself, he was protecting Harry when he stopped Harry’s use of the Cruxis curse before his flight.
JH Yen
September 29th, 2005 at 7:06 am
The other Horcrux can either be Ravenclaw’s or Gryffindor’s.
Bea
September 29th, 2005 at 7:08 am
Owl ur comments are very interesting. I just have a question: what would be the problem if Harry was using unforgivable curses? Lots of comments were in that direction, but if Harry used them to defend himself and the school, there should be a case of “legitime defense”, shouldn’t it?
I believe Snape is a traitor to LV, but still he can genuily want to protect himself from being hurt…
Bea
mark
September 29th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
i cant find it again but some1 said the shorting hat was a horcrux. that is vary interesting, guess that could be true
Johanna
October 4th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
Why create a Horcrux? To immortalize a piece of one’s soul. That piece is destroyed / lost forever if the horcrux is destroyed. So it is utterly stupid to create a horcrux out of a mortal being. (Apart from the fact that you cannot control what that mortal being is doing to that piece of your soul). Should you use a mortal being, for example as a temporary horcrux (is their such a thing? Come to that later), it must be a long-living being you trust completely. (Like the snake.) It makes no sense to create a horcrux and then spend the next 16 years trying to destroy it. Suicide can be committed in easier ways.
On temporary horcruxes: is it possible to retrieve the piece of your soul you’ve lost to create a horcrux? Doubtfull - a soul is unreparable damaged by a killing, the only way not to ‘lose/waste’ that lost part is by creating a horcrux. But it is not known how that magic can be undone (if it were, creating a horcrux wouldn’t be half as big a taboo as it is now).
trease
October 4th, 2005 at 10:44 pm
1. Dumble not dead = lamest possibility. Come on, a lot of true emotion was spent there. Just like when Sirius died, JKR doesn’t fool around. This isn’t some perfect little fairy tale where everything comes out right because we want it to. If so, it would be utterly boring. The sincerety and personal struggle and sacrifice of these books if far more important than a happy ending … aren’t you paying attention?
2. Snape is alive, and knows everything that Dumbledore did about the horcruxes and DD’s quest to destroy them. He is “in the know”. Will Harry learn of this before, during, or after the final battle with LV … that’s the most interesting and intense question in B7.
3. Out on a limb here, but Harry needs a starting point for his horcrux quest. So, after they figure out RAB = regulus = necklace = Grimauld, all basically by reasoning (like all of you did), while there he encounters Kreature. Either Kreature will let it slip, or HP will figure it out, but we learn Kreature was with RAB when we got the horcrux from the cave. Recall that it takes 2 to get it, and one must not be a wizard. Kreature will have more info that HP will force him to spill, and finally Harry can quest for the rest of the horcruxes (or know what other ones RAB found or destroyed.)
4. Harry will not die. Dumbledore claimed many times in B6 that Harry was too young to die, but he had been around long enough.
5. Harry is the horcrux. IT WAS NEITHER PLANNED, NOR AN ACCIDENT. Here’s what happened… LV indeed wanted to kill Harry, and went through James and Lily to get to him. (and perhaps we has going the make the final horcrux with Harry as the required murder.) However, he didn’t realize Lily’s love charm until he initiated the AK curse. When thing’s went wrong and he could see everything was going to back fire and he would die, he HAD to make Harry the last horcrux, to reach his immortal 7 pieces, or else be forever lost. It was the last thing he could do to save himself. And no, LV doesn’t know what the implications of all this might be … how could he? Remember, there is nothing really known about them except what little Slughorn offers.
5b. How will Harry shake his horcrux status? Will it happen before or after he finishes off LV? My guess it Harry will finally grow up, and will reject the horcrux off his own will, perhaps during the battle with LV. Yes, Harry is still immature through B6 … he can’t even do occlumency yet because of his immature mind. However, others have hinted at the isolation and guilt Harry will be forced to deal with … this is where the internal struggle and change begins. Ah, and I see it just now … Harry cannot finish off LV until he realizes the truth about Snape. Think about it: how can a person so full of hate, especially a misdirected hate, have the purity of soul to finish off the final evil? That just doesn’t fly in any genre.
6. Snape will live. Think of the beauty of this. Harry, mister internal struggle himself, now has to deal with mixed feelings about him. He will come to pity, appreciate, forgive, and (even love?) Snape. Think about it: who is the only person in the world that trusted Snape? Dumbledore, the same person he had to kill! How would you feel after that!!?? Any and everyone will pity and praise Snape after the truth comes out. Harry will bond with Snape when he realizes how strong the bond between Snape and DD was and its true nature.
7. The Big Kicker! Snape, perhaps the most interesting person in the whole series, I repeat is Dumbledore’s partner and confidont. (of course, he could’ve never let this on the anyone … Harry, the professors, even you, the reader … LV would find out!) Snape is Harry’s protector, will aid in LV’s death, and is the very powerful HBP. And he is home at Hogwarts. Don’t worry kids, Hogwarts will reopen after B7 …
… with Snape as the new HeadMaster!!!
ETC. Neville, no, irrelevant. Nagini, no. (cmon, LV was already weakened!). only 6 horcruxes + LV = 7. sorting hat = no.
Final Note: Yes, DumbleDore is dead, although there is a lot of evidence he might return. This is all ‘red herring’ from Rowling just to mislead you. (snape could’ve used non-verbal, DD flew in the air and was NOT unmarked, DD sleeping in his portrait, phoenix lament could’ve been healing cries, phoenix seen at the funeral pyre.) But no, don’t hide from the truth. Dumbledore died doing what he must and was preparing Harry the whole time to continue on without him. And the phoenix’s lament was the saddest part of the book … that’s when I knew it was true.
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g4danny
October 7th, 2005 at 2:43 am
RAB = Regulus Black, there is no doubt (JKR would have to work hard on a different character),
HP a horcrux… can be, but maybe not. We are not told enough about how they are created.
DD a horcrux vs. DD not dead…. these two contradict each other, considering the full theories behind. My wish is that DD is NOT dead, NOT a horcrux and Snape is indeed an ally (I wouldn’t use the expression “good guy” on him, though). The only flaw I see in this scenario: Snape DID make an U.W. to do “Draco’s duty, if Draco fails”. One who breaks the U.W. is supposed to die. Draco’s duty was to kill DD, Snape did not die - is JKR going to play a trick on us along the lines “Snape didn’t swear that he’ll do it at the same moment Draco fails. He thought for a moment before his third “I Will”, saw this flaw and therefore could proceed without real danger for himself”? Well, we know house elves can bend orders given to them, if there is room for dodging… I wish DD to survive, yes, even to be a phoenix animagus (one suggestion here, a good one) and come to Harry’s aid when all is lost, not unlike the Book 2 climax.
Yes, Snape in love with Lilly, that fits JKR’s take on love affairs perfectly. I believe Snape indeed is an ally, wants LV to be finished - BUT ONLY TO BECOME THE DARK LORD NO.1 HIMSELF!!! He’s never done anything sentimental alone, in all his actions there is a visible drive for maximizing his own profit. Snape will not help either one, HP or LV. Unless he’s eliminated before the Great Battle, he’ll wait for the result and at least try to kill the survivor.
Both LV and HP dying makes the most sense, whether HP is a horcrux or not. Snape surviving all would lead to a nice looping: old heroes and villains are dead, and there is a new evil lord to be dealt with in the next generation. Not immediately, as Snape has no followers. To the contrary, after the 6th book the jealous death eaters are his most dangerous competitors.
Altogether, the 6th book is a good prelude to the final, leaves many plots possible. I thought… we all, who have the guts, should simply sit down and write our own Book 7. Not to challenge JKR, nobody want’s to cut her well deserved sales. It would make HP immortal. Just the same way JRRTolkien’s phantasy gained immortality with D&D RPG’s. I believe HP is worth this immortality. Who’s with me?
Liz
October 8th, 2005 at 8:20 pm
the theory that snape didn’t really kill dumbledore(and that he used another nonverbal spell )is interesting but then what about snape’s unbreakable vow?does that mean he has to kill dumbledore eventually or die himself?
Liz
October 8th, 2005 at 8:32 pm
how did vldemort manage to make dumbledore a horcrux?how on earth and why does dumbedore never mention/or know this?
Liz
October 8th, 2005 at 8:45 pm
if snape isnt really evil and was loyal to dumbledore all along and will help harry in then end then why is it a secret?shouldnt harry know so that he doesnt try to kill(not necessarily kill but put in Azkaban or harm) this good and extremely talented wizard?
Seth
October 8th, 2005 at 9:38 pm
Liz, who said Dumbledore was a Horcrux? The point of my post is that Harry is a Horcrux.
Has some other commenter made this crazy Dumbledore assertion?
Ah, I see it now. That person needs professional help.
uglort
October 14th, 2005 at 12:32 pm
Has anyone done any thinking on the Hufflepuff cup-horcrux? I haven’t seen any posts on it, so here’s something people may have missed.
Has anyone noticed that the woman who Voldemort killed and stole the cup from was named Hepzibah SMITH? Anyone wonder why a brand new character that was never mentioned previously was introduced in book 5? Zacharias Smith has gotten way too much air time in the last two books if he doesnt have some role to play in future: why would JKR introduce a new character so late in the series? Hepzibah and Zacharias are related. Hepzibah Smith herself states that she is distantly descended from Hufflepuff himself; Zacharias is a really snotty, arrogant Hufflepuff-maybe his sense of self-importance is due to his lineage?
This theory doesnt amount to much more than saying that Zacharias Smith will have some horcruxial role to play in the 7th: perhaps he will have some information useful to Harry (the Smith family certainly knew about the cup before it was stolen by Voldy, as they looked for it after the death of Hepzibah- so says Dumbledore in Book 6). Who knows. Anyways, just thought I’d bring that to all y’alls attentions.
Haazheel
October 29th, 2005 at 5:02 am
I totally agree with your theory, I did write it too in my blog (http://haazheel.skyblog.com), it’s sure, there is no other possibilities, it explains the prophecy and the scar and the mental relation between Voldemort and him. Moreover, to make a horcrux, you have to kill somebody, V did kill two characters before he tried and kill harry, and, we know that V wants a symbolic thing from all the father founders of hogwart and harry is probably the Godric Griffindor’ heir because he lived in Godric’s hollow and in the chamber the sorting hat gave him the sword of griffindor. As for me it’s obvious!
Come on and look my website (in french, yes I’m a bloody frog-eater lol) http://haazheel.skyblog.com
Chuck
November 2nd, 2005 at 11:50 am
Liz asked: “if snape isnt really evil and was loyal to dumbledore all along and will help harry in then end then why is it a secret?shouldnt harry know so that he doesnt try to kill(not necessarily kill but put in Azkaban or harm) this good and extremely talented wizard? ”
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Liz, I think that LV’s ability to see Harry’s thoughts explains that. If Snape really is a good guy, and LV found that out by reading Harry’s thoughts. . . that would be the end of Snape. (Some people might think that’s not such a bad idea (-: )
la
December 2nd, 2005 at 6:01 am
i read somewhere that snape is a vampire. (remember the encounter between snape and lupin after snape has asked the students to write an essay on werewolves. there lupin lets sth slip about vampires) i would love to hear what others think.
Mark Evans
December 2nd, 2005 at 3:13 pm
People, no-one has commented on my idea that Mundungus has the RAB horcrux after nicking it from grimmauld place, which i personally think is quite an interesting idea…how about you guys???
Just for the record, Dumbledore IS dead but sirius isn’t - usually, in these types of stories, if you didnt see the person die, they didn’t although dumbledore is the red-herring exception ( harry will go beyond that veil thing - still unexplained - to save sirius). Snape isn’t bad, for the simple reason that this totally undermines Dumbledores intelligence (as he would have totally misjudged snape) and also shows the quality of forgiveness and seeing the best in people in a very bad light - something that jkr cant do in these childrens books!
What do people think about deaths in the final book - my moneys on ginny……
oh and i also think that voldemort wont die but something else really clever (we already know that jkr is a genius) will happen because dumbledore (who basically represents God) is ALWAYS banging on about how Voldemorts greatest fault was that he thought death was the worst thing possible…therefore there is definitely some punishment worse that death waiting for him out there…..any ideas?????
And also, whoever posted that thing about snape loving lily, and rejection turing him evil but her death turning him back good is a genius….that is soooo clever…and that is blatantly the main detail we will find out about james and lily….. although what the f*** is it with her eyes??!
Moonfaling
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:18 am
i belive that your theory is right up untill the point where you mention that ginny might be the horcrux. i seriously doubt this. reasons: tom (from the diary) is a horcrux, if he turned ginny into a horcrux then he would have had to split his already split soul. other than that i believe your theories and harry has to die. i hope percy weasly does to, i never liked him.
eline
December 30th, 2005 at 8:42 am
I just wrote a rather long text on Harry being a horcrux, here.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/enile/2005/12/30/
eline
December 30th, 2005 at 8:44 am
I just wrote a commentary on Harry being a horcrux, here.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/enile/2005/12/30/
i think it sheds new light on the whole thing, as I’ve been doing my best to get around a lot of different aspects behind this theory.
enjoy!
natalie
January 4th, 2006 at 11:51 am
Ok.. obviously the locket stated in the “order of the phoenix” is a horcrux because JKR wrote about it as if it weren’t important (Chapter 6, The noble and most ancient house of Black” page 116) “They found an unpleasent-looking silver instrument, something like a many-legged pair of tweezers, which scuttled up Harry’s arm like a spider when he picked it up, and attempted to puncture his skin; …. ; ALSO A HEAVY LOCKET THAT NONE OF THEM COULD OPEN,” JKR threw that out ocasionally so we wouldn’t pay much attention to it… but off course.. that proves RAB is Regulus * Black… for two obvious reasons:
1-He was once a death eater and when he realized who Voldemort really was he attempted to back out and Voldemort killed him.
2-The locket was found where Regulus Black lived…obvious isn’t it??
I don’t think Harry is going to die..The only chapter of the 7th book JKR has written is the last one. And according to an interview for BBC she stated that the last sentence in the book was Hermione asking Harry: “Harry, where’s your scar?”
Obviously, when Lord Voldemort is killed Harry’s scar disappears.
Chuck
January 6th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Does anybody believe that an author of JK’s intelligence would reveal the final line of her most anticipated novel? I sure don’t.
chewdleg
March 6th, 2006 at 12:46 am
Not Harry, I don’t think - if you remember, Harry’s scar is where it hurts when HWMNBN (Voldie) starts acting up. There’s no reason not to make the scar itself the horcrux. AD is dead, dead, dead. He even made Harry swear he’d kill him if he instructed him to do so. Remember? I don’t think the Snapester is the bad guy Harry thinks he is, because he’s saved his little toushy at least five different times in the series, and finally figured out some way to teach Harry potions! However, remember that AD’s familiar is a phoenix, and also remember the rather spectacular funeral effect. Why would you write that if you weren’t going to use it later? Snape knows SOMETHING he’s not telling, though. Not sure what, but there’s definitely something there. Trust ADs judgement.
eva
March 6th, 2006 at 10:21 am
? on Neville’s role in Voldemort’s final battle: Neville
got the last wand Ollivander made before he dissappeared. If O. ended up with the death eaters, he might have made a “final” wand for Voldemort?
James McCarthy
March 15th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
I was rereading book six and thought maybe dumbledore had a little more than we know of concerning Harry’s parents death. I thought this up because on page 572 and 573 dumbledore said
‘Its all my fault, alll my fault I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I will never ever again,.”
Then later he says” Dont hurt them dont hurt them please its my fault.”
just thought that was interesting
anyone
March 18th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
If HP is a horcrux (which would make for an interesting book 7) then think about this. Remeber in the end of book 5 when Dumbledore said to HP that Voldemort couldn’t “poses” (i can’t spell so spell it out) HP because to do so caused him mortal harm. (In case you have forgotten, HP ended fighting Voldemort at the ministry and Dumbledore came to the rescue.) So with this information how is that possible.
Tony
March 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 am
You are right. Harry is the Horcrux. Harry did not survive the killing curse because it NEVER WAS a killing curse. It was to turn Harry into a horcrux. And the reason that Voldemort had to stop possessing Harry in the Ministry is because Harry was thinking about Sirius at that exact moment. Remember how Dumbledore said that LOVE was Harry’s power? Also, don’t forget how Marvolo’s ring is cracked after being horcrux’d Kinda like a SCAR, isn’t it?
Tony
March 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 am
Dumbledore is dead. However…wasn’t there a phoenix flying out of his tomb when the flames appeared? Anyone actually know how phoenix’s get made? Hmmm. Dumble-phoenix?
And yes, Snape is innocent and was acting under Dumble’s orders. The argument Hagrid witnessed? Dumbledore begging Snape at the end ( to do what he promised to do?) Don’t count Snape and Pettigrew (his debt to Harry) out. They may both be on Harry’s side in the end.
Rodger Anthony
March 28th, 2006 at 9:34 am
I think that there is a good possibility that Harry is a horcrux. While suggestions that it happened either accidentally or on purpose when James or Lilly died are possible, I don’t think it will go that way.
YKW wanted Harry dead, not as a Horcrux. My guess is that when he tried to kill Harry and it backfired YKW (in the grasps of death) used his own death to fuel the creation of Harry as a Horcrux. Another possibility is that the “ultimate act of evil” needed to make the horcrux was YKW’s attempt to kill Harry. It wouldn’t be any less evil because it failed. In any case, when YKW was dyeing he made Harry a horcrux.
Based on my speculation above, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 8 horcruxes. Harry creation being unplanned. It’s hard to believe that the dark lord haden’t recked up 7 murders by the time he tried to kill harry.
About Dumbledore/Snape, I’m conflicted. I’m not sure that Dumbledore is really dead. Think about what Dumbledore told Malfoy right before the other deatheaters come. YKW won’t come for you it your already dead. The members of the OOTP can make it look like you and your mother are dead.
Well, Snape is a member of the OOTP and he could have done the same for Dumbledore. Because of the link between Harry and YKW, having Harry as a paralysed witness would make it all the more convincing.
Then why isn’t Snape dead for breaking the unbreakable vow he made to Malfoy’s mother? Because he was protected by an earlier unbreakable vow he made to Dumbledore.
Ex. 1) I make an unbreakable vow to keep you from being killed 2) someone who I can’t stop tells me they are going to kill you 3) I say don’t do it, I’ll do it for you 4) they say ok, but make an unbreakable vow that you will.
The 2nd vow is required by the first. I can’t stop the person from killing you, but I’m bound to keep you from being killed. The only way I can keep my first vow is to agree to do the killing myself but not really kill you. When I make the 2nd vow, the 1st vow is already on me and it requires me to break the vow that I am making. It also won’t let me die from the 2nd vow, because then I won’t be able to keep the 1st vow - the person would see I died when I made the 2nd vow and just kill you himself.
James McCarthy
March 30th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
hi
if i am remembering correctly in gof voldemort tried to kill harry but harry and voldy’s wands connected creating pricori incantantum. Why would voldemort try to kill his so called Horcrux.
dylan
April 13th, 2006 at 11:37 pm
I have many theorys myself but unfortunatley each one of them has mounds of evidence pointing for it and against it. There are a few things though, that i believe to be deffinatley true
1. sadly, dumbledore is deffinatley dead (all good things must come to an end)
2.Snape COULD still be on our side
3.SNAPE WAS NOT IN LOVE WITH LILY EVANS
VOLDEMORT DOES NOT HAVE ANY WEIRD CONECTIONS WITH PHEONIXES SNApe is not a vampire, HARYY IS NOT PART HOUSE ELF and Dumbledore was not an animagus,
4.I agree that Jk Rowling has many secrets still to be revealed in the 7th book and mabye even some that will never be completly revealed but on that same not I ALSO AGREE NEARLY ALL OF THE FAR FETCHED THEORYS THAT COME UP WILL REMAIN THEORYS FOREVER AND ARE WAY TO OUT THERE
dylan
April 13th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO PRAISE JK ROWLING FOR BEING ABSOLUTLEY BRILLIANT
Bea
April 24th, 2006 at 6:30 am
No need to shout Dylan!
Why are u so certain Snape wasn’t in love with Lily?
We need a bit more beef here…
Bea
Chenturan
April 28th, 2006 at 1:06 am
Look guys
harry being a horcrux is not a twist…its obvious…too obvious
im sure rowling knows that lots of people r gonna think that he is so she is gonna suprise us and make us all look like idiots. In addition, if rowling planned on harry being horcrux after seein the hundreds of sites that show that many people r thinking Harry is a horcrux she will have no choice but to change her idea.
She purposely puts in little things to make us think about stuff i.e the small mentioning of regulus black….harry finds the initial r.a.b. just like the scar which i think is trying to make us turn into the opposite direction by thinking it is a horcrux
As for snape… dumbledore isnt stupid, he has continuously said that snape is a gud guy…dumbledore was gonna die anyway…so snape killed him to keep his cover
Chenturan
April 28th, 2006 at 1:10 am
just to add to the list of horcruxes mentioned at the top of the site…those objects are way too obvious.
It seems like a walk in the park it shouldnt be that obvious.
J.K rowling will have things that u have ignored and thought “that cant be a horcrux”. It will be things u least expected
zach
May 13th, 2006 at 12:58 pm
I believe Dumbledore is anmigus.It would be stupid to think Harry Potter will not die in the 7th book.Or Voldemort.I also hope it has over 1,000 pages.
zach
May 13th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
Harry Potter should finnaly murder volemort.Sirius should also die.Hopefully snape and malfoywilldie.
Chenturan
May 20th, 2006 at 4:03 am
zach u r a dumbass….sirius black is already dead….you havent read any of the books have u?? just watched the movies i presume *shakes head*….Whether harrry dies or not is still undecided by rowling….u never know, voldemort might not die…thrown in azkaban maybe (doubt it)….malfoy will not die (he seems too innocent and young)…snape might die (depending where his loyalty lies)…1000 pages??? its all about quality not quantity zach
mikey
May 21st, 2006 at 1:56 pm
heyy everybody..sorry if i repeat anything other people have already said but i was way to lazy to read everything..first off..dumbledores alive..the book really stressed nonverbal curses so maybe snape really didnt say the avada kedavra..and even if he did since wen do the victims of the spell go flying over the ramparts..in the goblet of fire cedric just dropped dead..second off i think snapes good..i like the idea about him loving Lily therefore backing up everything dumbledore alwayss said about love being so strong..i just hope harry gets to kick snape in the nuts before he realizes hes good..personally i dont think harrys a horcrux..just because i doubt voldemort wud keep trying to kill him..unless he didnt realize he put part of his soul into harry..which i find hard to believe cuz i think slughorn said u had to do a spell to split ur soul.im just hoping more for my own health that hes not a horcurx cuz i dont think i cud take it…i aslo think theres gotta be something special about harry having his momz eyes because JK brings it up every other paragraph…i hope we see more of dumbledores brother too, the bartender at the hogshead he was in the order of phonex last time so i hope we see more of him now that dumbledores dead..and does anybody no why house elves can apparate inside hogwarts! it pisses me off..
Clare
July 7th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Did anyone ever consider that the sorting hat might be the last horcrux? Dumbledore said that the sword was the only remaining relic of Griffindor, but in the fourth book the sorting hat says that, “…Twas Griffindor who found the way, he whipped me off his head…”. And didn’t Dumbledore say that LV didn’t have anything from Griffindor? Also, I think that R.A.B. is Regulus Black, but I’m still looking.
Clare
July 8th, 2006 at 2:03 am
HARRY POTTER WILL DIE….HE WILL FINALLY BE RDCONCILED WITH HIS PARENTS…SIRIUS….AND DUMBLEDORE…HARRY SHOULD DIE
Harry Potter
July 11th, 2006 at 4:40 am
R.A.B
REGULUS ALPHARD BLACK
Corinne
July 21st, 2006 at 1:55 am
jk rowling said that the sorting hat is not a horcrux
Lottie
July 30th, 2006 at 11:51 pm
Do you think that Tom’s special services award could be a horcrux, I think that might be one, instead of something of Ravenclaws/Griffindor’s. And is there more then one secret to the Chamber of Secrets…Has Voldemort hidden a horcrux there? I just think that Hogwarts s too important for Harry not to be going back, like he says he won’t return. But I think his Horcrux journey’s will lead him back there.
Leila
August 12th, 2006 at 9:13 am
Harry is not a horcrux. Why would Voldemort try to kill Harry, if he was a Horcrux???? Could it be that Godric Gryffindor’s sword is a horcrux? In the 2nd year Dumbuldore wasn’t aware of the horcrux and niether was harry. Soooooooooooooooooooo, does any else think Harry is not a horcrux??????????/
Margaret
August 24th, 2006 at 4:22 am
It’s a really good theory, but why would Voldemort waste his time trying to kill Harry if he was the last Horcrux?
*agrees with Leila*
Reg
September 11th, 2006 at 4:52 am
A quote from The Chamber of Secrets page 245.
‘ ‘ Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?’ Harry said, thunderstruck.’
‘ It certainly seems so’ Dumbledore replies.
will
November 11th, 2006 at 11:12 am
Harry can not be it because it says in the 6th book that voldemorts pet snake is the 6th one, voldemort is the 7th. the loket is in the ancient house of black pertected by krecher.
will
November 11th, 2006 at 11:13 am
i think dombledors death was faked only by him and snape.
Britt
December 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pm
ok for 1 harry is not a horcrux sorry for all the work you did think of the logic because if “he -who-must-not-be-named” is trying to kill harry as in the fourth one why would he put himself as a weakness by killing harry and trying to get rid of his arch enemy alsodumbledore said his snake was a horcrux he wanted to kill harry in the first place not place a seventh of his precious soul into him although dumbledore’s reasoning was theoretical it was correct so why in the world would after years of control in the wizarding world why would voldemort want to kill himself … and on wills comment that the death was faked the avada kedavra curse was used then why would they bury him why did they not tell anyone else and why of all reasons are harry’s parent aren’t there
Srinath
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Harry Potter is a horcrux
In Book 5 the Snake seems to rise inside Harry to bite Dubledore only when they make eye contact. This might be due to Dumbledore reading Harry’s mind might wake the soul of Voldermort inside Harry. It is unlikely that voldermort is constantly monitoring Harry to attack Dumbledore.
Also the animal inside Harry starts to rise whenever he thinks of Ginny (who escaped Voldermort) and not when he was thinking or talking to Cho (even when she went with Cedric)
The animal insie Harry might me Voldermort’s Soul and their essence is essentially divided between good in Harry and bad in voldermort.
Nick D
July 19th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Reading other blogs and webpages, and putting them all together, i think that harry potter is the sixth horcrux, but as this blog referred to a few times: the ravenclaw heirloom is the Erised mirror. Remember in the sixth book when the harry peereed into the basin, reread the description. (clawed feet). then read the description of the mirror, (CLAWED FEET). Remember when Dumbledore looked into the mirror, but he never said what he saw? Perhaps he saw something great on there, which made him not think about the possibility of it being a horcrux. Or, possibly he knew, but wanted harry to figure out on his own. What a great hiding place for…. Voldemort, okay there i said it… It was so obvious that no one would know it was a horcrux. That’s all I have to say, good day to all you muggles.