SPOILER ALERT: Secrets of the newest book and speculation about the conclusion of the series are below. Read at you own risk. I solemnly swear that I am up to no good.
I don’t want to put any spoilers out on the internet concerning Harry Potter and the Half-Brood Prince, especially the fact that Severus kills Albus (oops), but I’m dying to discusss the latest book. Jenn still hasn’t read Order of the Phoenix and my mother-in-law is only 200 pages in. So here I am stuck with no one to talk to but the blog.
Hello, blog? Wanna hear a theory? You do? Great!
Here it is: Harry Potter is the sixth Horcrux. Shocking!, you say? Surely you saw it coming? Lemme break it down.
Here, in no particular order, are the Horcruxes as I have determined them:
1) Tom Riddle’s diary (seen in Book 2: Chamber of Secrets)
2) Marvolo’s ring (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
3) Slytherin’s “S” locket (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
4) The Hufflepuff Cup (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
5) Something from Ravenclaw (Book 6: Half-Blood Prince)
6) Harry Potter (pretty much the entire series, really, but the story is originally told in Sorcerer’s Stone. Thinking back, it sounds like Lily Potter’s death was the fuel for turning Harry into a Horcrux and the lightning-bolt scar is the evidence)
It would be the perfect strategy on Voldemort’s part. The prophecy states that neither can survive while the other lives. What better way to assure yourself that Harry Potter will die and the prophecy will keep you (Voldemort) alive than to split part of your soul into his body.
This action would explain Voldemort’s disapperance after the act, Harry’s parseltongue abilities and his psychic link to Voldemort. It seems very clear, but also very obvious.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Tom Riddle made Ginny the Horcrux sometime during Chaber of Secrets. Maybe Dumbledore was right about the snake, Nagini, being a Horcrux. Or maybe, just maybe, I’m right and Harry will somehow have to rid himself of Voldemort’s soul or die trying.
In any event, we’ll all be waiting for Book 7 with bated breath to see how this wonderful series ends. Until then, I’m re-reading them all.
UPDATE: Others supporting my assessment about Harry being a Horcrux.
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Well…at least you gave a spoiler alert and didn’t have “SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE” in the blog title…stupid accidental technorati search is how I got my HP6 spoiled before owning a copy…
That Harry is a horcrux is an intruiging theory, but I don’t think so, just because it wouldn’t make very much sense for J.K. Rowling to end the series on that sort of note. I wasn’t aware that you could make people horcruxes either – remember how Dumbledore said it would be risky to even make a snake a horcrux? Voldemort was unaware about Harry’s connection until the end of book 5.
Voldemort wasn’t completely unaware. In HP6 we learn that Snape and Wormtail informed him of the prophecy soon after it had been given. If Voldemort hadn’t found a Gryffindoor artifact, the next best thing would be the first-born child of two powerful ex-Gryffindoor’s.
This idea occurred to me as well. I have always thought the prophecy might mean that Harry has to die in order for Voldemort to die. If that’s true, it really sucks. I’m wondering what kind of psychological damage the children who read Harry Potter will sustain if he dies in the end.
i dnt think so, he obv made the horcruxes before the prophecy to become all powerful and therefore didnt even know abt harry. he then heard the prophecy and realised a possible downfall and tried to kill harry.
The idea of Harry as a horcrux intrigues me, but I think that Voldemort went beyond the potentials of magic when attempting to make Harry a horcrux – in other words, he stretched his soul too thin. This would explain his unusual disappearance as well as Harry’s scar. I now ponder whether Harry actually became the horcrux or if the spell simply freaked out and went kaBLAMO all over Voldemort’s new shoes.
The Harry Horcrux issue has become a contentious issue at my place. I agree that it has some plausibility, but I don’t think, if he is a horcrux, that voldemort did it intentionally. I also think that the editors for the 7th book would put their foot down if Harry was to die as his entire life has sucked and they are meant to be childrens books.
Ok just to answer all of your questions —
1. Harry IS a horcrux and he WILL die. The series will not continue and it all makes sense. Also, last year Daniel Radcliff, the guy who actually PLAYS Harry Potter stated that he thought Harry would die in the 7th book because of all the evidence.
2. Snape is not evil.
3. R.A.B is probably Regulus * Black (this one i’m unsure about)
Thanks for all the comments, folks! Since I’m high on Google’s search (#1 today for ‘harry potter horcrux’) I’ll post a follow-up later today that more accurately addresses how I think the series might end. Deaths, for sure, but maybe not Harry.
I don’t think Harry’s the horcrux, unless Dumbledore is simply flat-out wrong about what happened the night James and Lily were killed. Dumbledore believes that LV was going to use Harry’s murder to create a horcrux. He couldn’t very well be a horcrux if he was the one who got murdered! I can’t believe that Dumbledore is that far off, after all the research he’s done on LV.
Also, if LV made Harry a horcrux, wouldn’t he have realized the connection he had with Harry’s mind a lot quicker in OotP? Seems like he had no idea that there was this psychic connection, even when Harry had the vision of Mr. Weasley being attacked at the Ministry. I would think that LV would’ve realized that Harry would be able to see his thoughts and vice/versa sooner, if he’d made Harry a horcrux.
And I think that it makes sense that Regulus is RAB.
Chuck,
Dumbledore admitted that his mistakes were likely to be worse than most men, because of his great talent and intellect. It wouldn’t be too hard to imagine that Dumbledore underestimated Voldemort, and that Harry was made the Horcrux.
I like the idea that voldemorts soul was split too thin, if indeed that is what he did (make harry the 6th horcrux) at godric’s hollow.
someone said something about not being sure people could be made into horcruxes… do you really think voldemort would care about accidently killing the boy prophesised to kill him??
has anyone thought harry could have been made the 6th horcrux to bring voldemort back to life in Pheonix? thats why Voldemort insisted oin using harry. and why he told his death eaters not to kill him. and also explains to gleam of triumph- after harry explains what happened and what voldemort did is that oh so famous gleam, perhaps it was triumph of being right, of finding another horcrux, being closer to destroying voldemort.
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux
I may be using the “redux” title too often or, more importantly, incorrectly, but I digress.
One of the most popular posts (in terms of hits, clickthroughs, comments, trackbacks and search engine ranking) is my assertion that Harry Potter…
i think your all lookin intoit to much and need to wait for the book. But if you are right which is a possibility then I’d think I would die with harry cause I couldn’t imagine that happening!!!! CAN”T WAIT FOR THE NEXT BOOK!!!
I think the prophecy refers to Dumbledore and NOT Voldemort, Dumbledore must die so that Harry can live. In addition Dumbledore was a horcrux and Snape is actually good and knew this. This is why he made the pact with Malfoy’s mother. Because Dumbledore had to die so Harry could live and to destroy Voldemort.
cz,
That’s the most interesting take I’ve heard yet. I’ll have to think about it more, but I can see where you’re coming from and where you’re going. I don’t know that I agree totally, but there are threads of a plausible theory.
Interesting theory…
I don’t believe Dumblemore was wrong on Snape, so i agree with cz. Snape had to kill him to do whatever needs be in order to get the complete trust of Voldemort, in the same way that Dumblemore ordered Haryy to obey him whatever. That is also why D is begs Snape, to kill him, not give up at that stage. That is also why Snape prevents Harry to be killed by other death eaters when they flew away from Howard.
Maybe Harry is a Horcrux, but Voldemort did it accidentaly, so wasn’t aware of it, and maybe Harry is strong enough not to have to die and can keep the bit of Voldemort soul inside him contained (a bit like Frodo and the ring). Maybe with the powerful love of Ginny he can beat the evil inside him…
Will be interesting to see!
The prophecy can not refer to Dumbledore. Remember that it says “either must die at the hand of the other”. Since Dumbledore didn’t die at the hand of LV (or Harry), the prophecy couldn’t have refered to him.
I also think it very likely that Dumbledore is not really dead. Remember when he is trying to convince Draco to leave LV’s service. Draco objects saying that LV would kill him, and Dumbledore tells him he can hide him so that EVERYONE will think he’s dead. I think this is what Dumbledore himself did, with Snape’s help. Dumbledore put Harry in a full-body bind so that he could not try to run to the rescue and ruin the plan.
Wow… this horcrux business intrigues me. I believe there are 7 horcruxes, not six, because LV deemed the number 7 as having powerful magical properties, see top of pg 503 of HBP). I haven’t back-tracked to figure them all out, but I think Harry’s SCAR (and not Harry) is where the horcrux is “embedded” much like a parasite. Another is Nagini (LV’s snake); the locket; the journal; Marvolo’s ring; the Hufflepuff cup… which leaves one other relic… perhaps from Ravenclaw. So… how are they destroyed then? Or ‘reconstitued’?
I’m very curious to know how horcruxes are created, and how a person’s soul can become that fragmented, and still remain somewhat intact and functional. Without all of his “parts” I imagine Voldemort can not be as powerful as the sum of all his parts. I don’t believe Dumbledore is dead, either, although it is perhaps wishful thinking on my part.
JKR says that by the end of the story, Harry will face his final battle alone; so my guess is that she will have stripped all support from friends and family that have supported Harry up until that point, whether by killing off key characters or leading Harry to believe that they will be killed as a result of his association with them (and thus resulting in self-inflicted isolation).
Tom Riddle (or LV) presents classic symptoms of being a sociopath; essentially a serial killer–a Jim Jones or Charles Manson or Hilter of sorts. Serial killers collect relics from their victims. Interesting parallels here.
I’m rereading the books once again, while I await the last instalment. My hat’s off to JKR, for creating this great series. I’ll certainly miss the characters once the story comes to an end… I felt the same way about Jack L. Chalker’s “Soul Rider” series when the 7 books were written (and read).
Cheers,
Adriane
My theory to who R.A.B. is: in hp 5 at grimwauld place sirius is showing harry his family tree. he tells harry about his brother regulas black(RAB). He said he was a close death eater to voldemort who was killed by voldemort because he wanted to leave the death eaters(he went AWOL).
Now on page 569 of hp6 harry reads RAB’s note which said “to the dark lord I know i will be long dead before you read this but i want you to know it was i who found out about your secret. i will destroy and in the face of death i hope you will be mortal once you meet your match.”
The theory behind this is that RAB knew he was going to die because voldemort found out he knew how to destroy him but had to kill him in case it ever leaked out. in the prospect of facing death RAB decided to destroy the horcrux and then he was murdered by voldemort soon after he destroyed the horcrux before harry was born.
The middle initial of RAB (A) is probably sirius and regulus father who hasnt been mentioned directly by sirius in any of the books.
IN THE LAST BOOK HARRY WOULD HAVE DESTROYED EVERY HORCRUX APART FROM 1 WHICH WILL BE HIM. HE WILL KILL HIMSELF IN ORDER FOR VOLDEMORT TO BECOME MORTAL. HE WILL KILL SNAPE AND MALFOY WILL BE KILLED BY VOLDEMORT. BELLATRIX LESTRANGE WILL ALSO BE KILLED. BILL AND LUPIN WILL KILL FENRIR GREYBACK(THE WEREWOLF) AND THERE WONT HARRYS 7TH YEAR OF HOGWARTS AS HE DOESNT ATTEND AND FIGHTS FOR THE ORDER. HOWEVER HE MAY ATTEND HOGWARTS TO BECOME AN AUROR.
i hate snape
wow sp, that’s a lot of killing!
Ur theory on RAB is v convincing, but remains the question of how many horcrux are left. Maybe he destroyed more than just that one.
Now, I don’t think Harry will kill Snape. I wouldn’t be surprised if Snape died trying to kill Voldemort, in a dramatic scene where everything looks lost for ever, Snape evil as ever, but suddenly he turns against Voldemort, doesn’t manage to kill him but weakens him enough to enable Harry to finish him (at the end, Harry is just a beginner, he is not so skilled a wizard).
Now, my theory is that Snape was in love with Harry’s mother (she was supposed to be v skilled in potion, v nice girl and pretty) despite calling her mudblood and maybe had a trade with Voldemort who would kill Harry’s father and give the girl to him. Indeed, Harry’s father is killed directly, but Lily is killed “by accident” as she took Harry’s charm on her. Snape, mad of love and sadness, then turned to Dumblemort to seek revenge against Voldemort. That is why Dumblemore trusted him until the end.
Don’t call him a coward
Adriane said, “I believe there are 7 horcruxes, not six, because LV deemed the number 7 as having powerful magical properties”. I think, Adriane, that there are only six horcruxes b/c the 7th piece of LV’s soul would’ve had to remain in his mortal body. If he’d made 7 horcruxes, then there would actually have been 8 pieces to his soul (7 stored, and 1 residing in his body), and that would’ve ruined the whole point of the multiple horcruxes. Just my guess.
Seth, why does the page tell me that my posts “look suspiciously like spam”? Can I post in a different format or something to avoid this? Thanks.
Spam Karma has marked the post as “old” and is forcing moderation for all comments. No worries, though. I’m seeing them all and approving them.
actually if you recall in the 6th book it said that a horcrux takes a death to create. no matter what may be said, there is and always was a connection between LV and Harry. i think the reason why he didnt recall it b4 was because he was not powerful enough. he noticed in the 5th book…and that was after he had been placed in a body. just before then he couldnt travel alone. so i think that makes perfect sense. on another foot, ive herd many rumors that Snape isnt really bad, that this was all part of the plan. Dumbledore had always said that there are worse things than death…but i never would have thought he would plan his own. i think that Snape is EVIL and nothing but. Draco on the other hand i think is going to be put in a really awkward state. he had always grown up to only know the dark arts, but never actually see it first hand. then he had the chance…and he didnt do it. to be honest, i think that if no one had come up there Draco would have taken Dumbledores offer. who knows…Draco may actually be good inside, but he is now trapped within LV grasp. LV knows what is in Dracos mind and will soon find out how he really feels…*wondering* if he will die because of his stupidity?? i think Harry is going to die…i personaly dont look at this as a “kids” book. there have been a lot of dark things and JKR has never plaied it to make it seem that life is all *fun and games*…she makes it real…not the fairy tale endings. yes, people will move on, but Harry will take his life to kill LV (whitch will also die). a lot of people are going to be hert in this movie…but love will shine threw.
Emily said: ” but Harry will take his life to kill LV (whitch will also die). ” A couple people have said this, which seems to go along with the Harry-as-horcrux theory. But again, this ignores the prophecy which says that either Harry or LV must die “at the hand of the other”. If Harry kills himself, it would not be at the hand of the other. Not gonna happen (I hope!).
Blogging Harry Potter
Given the traffic and comments on my two recent posts about the last Harry Potter book, I think I’m on to something. Here are the links for the interested:
Harry Potter: Horcrux
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux
Regardless of whether or not you agre…
At Dumbledore’s funeral, Harry thought he caught a glimpse of a phoenix in the smoke. My daughter’s theory is that Dumbledore is an animagus who takes the shape of a phoenix, and thus has the ability to rise from his ashes.
1)i think r.a.b is Regulus Black, for the points given above and the letter says ‘dark lord’ and only deatheaters have ever calle him that as fsr as im aware in the books
2)i think the snape being good is a good theroy and him being in love with harry mom is also very gd and i wouldnt b suprised if thats wat happens
3)ppl keep saying that LV ‘knew’ he had 2 kill harry and used him as a Horcrux but dumbledore says that lv only knew part of the prophecy and did not know about one must die at the hand of the other.
4) but that would have to be wrong for my 4th theory, i think harry may be a horcrux and i think that the prophecy was not about harry but about neville longbottom. so i think harry will die and neville will kill LV, there are holes in this theory thou because it says(in the prophecy) that the person will be made an equal. but my answer to that would be that dumbledore says not all prophecys are not forfilled, there for maybe only part of a prophecy will be forfilled? also nevilles parents were nearly killed so that coulld have somthing to do with it?
sry about that being so long, any comments would be welcome on this because there are gaps in these theories that i cannot answer
1)i think r.a.b is Regulus Black, for the points given above and the letter says ‘dark lord’ and only deatheaters have ever calle him that as fsr as im aware in the books
2)i think the snape being good is a good theroy and him being in love with harry mom is also very gd and i wouldnt b suprised if thats wat happens
3)ppl keep saying that LV ‘knew’ he had 2 kill harry and used him as a Horcrux but dumbledore says that lv only knew part of the prophecy and did not know about one must die at the hand of the other.
4) but that would have to be wrong for my 4th theory, i think harry may be a horcrux and i think that the prophecy was not about harry but about neville longbottom. so i think harry will die and neville will kill LV, there are holes in this theory thou because it says(in the prophecy) that the person will be made an equal. but my answer to that would be that dumbledore says not all prophecys are not forfilled, there for maybe only part of a prophecy will be forfilled? also nevilles parents were nearly killed so that coulld have somthing to do with it?
sry about that being so long, any comments would be welcome on this because there are gaps in these theories that i cannot answer
5) i just thought that maybe hp does kill lv and he becomes the D.A.D.A’s teacher thus ending lvs ‘curse’ on the job since he was refused it by AD (book 6)
I agree with Mike regarding Nelville part. I am sure he will have quite a big role in the last book, although his participation in HP6 was not great. i DON’T THINK hARRY WILL DIE, BUT nELVILLE MIGHT BE KILLED TO SAVE HIM, THEREOFRE FULLFILLING THE PROPHECY.
(sorry for the caps, wrong manip!)
Even thought Dumbledore’s picture is in the office, it may not mean that he is dead. As it was stated in the book, after hearing of the death, McGonagall took up the position as Head-Mistress, thereby making Dumbledore a past Headmaster. This would explain why his picture is up. Also, it is unknown if someone must be dead in order to be in a picture….should be revealed in book 7.
Also, I do not think that Snape killed Dumbledore. If you lookup the description of the Avada Kedavra curse in previous books, the spell simply causes instant death. However, Dumbledore flew up and over the castle wall. Snape possibly used a different, non-lethal unspoken curse. Another reason that DD is not dead: he showed Harry several memories that he took from a glass vial. If he was the real DD, why didn’t he simply pull them from his head?
And finally, I believe that the Sorting Hat is a horcrux. The Hat reveals in a song that it one belonged to Godric Gryffindor – makes sense that Voldemort would enchant it.
How would LV have gotten his hands on the sorting hat to make it a horcrux?
I agree that it’s still possible that the prophecy applies to Neville. I really do hope that he plays a HUGE role in Book 7.
i agree that RAB is regulus black, and i think the locket is still in grimmauld place. it’s mentioned briefly while everyone is cleaning towards the beginning of book 5 that they found a locket that no one could open-didn’t mean anything at the time but after reading book 6…
i also think dumbledore is alive. every other time we see the avada kedvra curse, the people just fall dead. so why did dumbledore fly in the air and off the tower? also, the point of the DADA classes this year was NONVERBAL spells, and we also know that for the killing curse to work you have to actually mean it. i propose that snape actually used a different spell nonverbally and faked the killing curse. and the reason that dumbledore used the full body bind curse on harry wasn’t just so that he wouldnt get involved, but also so he would be a witness. nobody will deny the validity of what harry says these days, and if harry truly thinks dumbledore is dead, then so will voldemort and the rest of the wizarding community. perhaps dumbledore took some of the draught of living death (or whatever the potion is called) and is just in a deep sleep. i also think the whole point of the half-blood prince story line was to reveal to harry and co, as well as the readers, that snape is in actuality an extremely talented wizard. so who else besides him would be equipped to pull of the task of fooling voldemort. also, where the heck was fawkes? at the end of book 5 fawkes shows up at the ministry and saves dumbledore, so where was he that night? or maybe he didnt show up because there really wasn’t a true reason for him too…
i think the dumbledore being an animagus theory is interesting.
Who doesn’t think RAB is regulus? you can stop posting “I think its Sirius’s brother” posts. if you havent noticed, everybody came to that same conclusion before reading the first sentence after the letter. And if you happened to think you were the only one to come to that conclusion before getting on this forum, you should have been able to see that they dont need you to repeat it, because about a zillion other people have said it already!!!!!
Dumbledore animagus theory…. interesting….. but can wizards/ witches turn into magical beasts? i guess if anyone can it would be dumbledore, but would they ahve the magical properties? unless he wasnt dead, just flying away… maybe its just a bird, and not a phoenix….
hi,
i don’t think HP is a horcrux. LV has been trying to kill HP ever since we’ve known about the both of them. If HP is a horcrux LV wud know abt it and it wud be mighty stupid on his part to destroy a part of his own soul by killing HP.
Also i agree that R.A.B. is in fact Regulus (A) Black. Though i do not know wat “A” stands for. Also in hp5 while cleaning up the Ancient House of the Black harry and the others discover a locket in the cabinet. It may have been left there by R.A.B. after having destroyed that part of LV’s soul.
And i dont think that AD can in any way be a horcrux as LV wud not have ordered malfoy to kill him then and thus “destroy a precious part of LV’s soul”.He was said to be very angry wen he heard abt his diary being destroyed….right???
Nyways let me knw wat u think..
Cheers…..ASH
I totally agree that locket is in Grimmauld place after Regulus nicked it but I’d bet my broomstick that Mundungus has nicked it with all that other stuff as this detail seemed slightly pointless within the overall context of bk 6 – usually everything JKR writes is significant, that’s her brilliance.
In HP5, AD tells HP that LV made Harry one of the individuals the prophecy was about by trying to kill him. Neville will not be the one to kill LV.
hello, r u all 4gettin the prophecy we r told that snape only heard the first half of the prophecy there4 voldermort wuld not no that either he had 2 kill harry or harry had 2 kill him all he knew was the 1 with the power 2 vanquish the lord approches ect ect. if he didnt no the 2nd half why on earth wuld he make harry a horcrux. However he did intend 2 use harrys life 4 the last 1…….if this is true we cannot b sure he ever got 2 7. As 4 R.A.B, thats obvios sein as sirius also has alot of relatives whos names begin wiv a nd finaly sirius is not dead, go on the harry potter website nd ull find stuff 2 do wiv the mirror……we never see his dead body either, either sirius is alive or harry is goin 2 die, i dont no nd snape is definately evil, he killed dumbledore! nd thoose who belive he isnt dead need 2 return 2 the part where he makes an unbreakable vow that he will kill him if malfoy cannot.
Catherine,
The all point of killing Dumblemore is to get the compete trust of Vold, not so easy to get. If Dumblemore was already condemned to die because of the potion, then Snape is just easing his pain. Remember, D. is begging him. He wouldn’t do that to save his life, but for something much more important.
I believe Snape will die in the 7th book either saving Harry or attempting to kill Voldemort. And I agree with you, D. is really dead.
And I do insist, Snape was in love with Harry’s mother, which was the cause of him becoming evil (frustration, she married somebody else) and good (anger, Vold killed the only person he truly loved)
Bea
Im beginin 2 think u r right bout snape actually i take it back, wots ur opinian on the hrry horcrux
“Voldemort wasn’t completely unaware. In HP6 we learn that Snape and Wormtail informed him of the prophecy soon after it had been given. If Voldemort hadn’t found a Gryffindoor artifact, the next best thing would be the first-born child of two powerful ex-Gryffindoor’s. ”
Seth, please document this for us. I went back through #6 and this is simply not the case.
Voldemort does not know the prophecy. IF HE DID, WHY WOULD HE HAVE THE DEATH EATERS GO TO THE MOM TO STEAL IT? Why spend a year of your life trying to find out something you know?
Given that Voldemort does not know the last half of the prophecy (It is stated that ONLY Harry and Dumbledore know the entire thing), he would NOT make Harry a horcrux. He did not go to Godric’s Hollow with that intention (of making Harry a horcrux; he did intend to make one, but of an object). Given that he only heard the first part, he went with the intention that he was going to kill the person with the power to vanquish him… he did not know he would had powers he knew not of (LOVE) or that he would mark him as his equal. All he thought was that if he killed Harry, no one could defeat him.
Now, is it possible that Harry was ACCIDENTLY made the horcrux… sure, although I for one think JK has a little to much originality than to rehash an old plot device such as this… but I might be wrong. But if you really go back and read the books closely, there is nothing to support that Voldemort intentionally turned Harry into a Horcrux. Ignoring the prophecy, if he did do it, why would he try to kill him at the end of GoF and OotP? Why would he destroy a piece of his soul knowingly?
Personally, I agree that Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore’s orders to keep Draco alive (because he is just that type of person) and because Dumbledore realizes that Harry is the most important aspect. Snape will die in book 7, but I think he does it to save Harry… Maybe during their duel Voldemort is about to win and Snape saves him, in which Bellatrix or more likely Voldemort, kills Snape. I also think Wormtail sacrifices himself to save Harry too, mainy because it was hinted at in the end of PoA. (The part about how when one wizard saves another’s life there is a primal debt, yada yada yada). I am hoping this is when Bellatrix gets killed (Wormtail making amends for getting James Killed). I also tend to agree with the theory that Harry is a decendant of Gryffendor… which is why I think that Voldemort gets killed with the sword… given that the wands can’t duel each other. Which brings up another question, I wonder if Olivander is dead, or if he is being forced to make a new wand… not sure, just wondering.
I have seen the Dumbledore alive theory and the reaction to Avada Kedavra i the main reason given usually. Not sure yet… I think he is dead, but I can’t fully debunk this yet. Frank Bryce crumpled. The spider flipped on its back but it also said Ron backed up as it skidded toward him. We don’t truly know what happened when Harry died.
It is possible Dumbledore was close enough to the edge that when he died he fell as well. It also is possible there was a screw up as well. It has happened before… GoF springs to mind with the reversing of the order of Harry’s parents death in the American Version. Still not sure, but it would be a question I would ask JK if I could… Does Avada Kedavra have any type of recoil on the body? Do they just fall to the ground or is the body pushed back from the rushing force of the curse?
Harry Potter Horcrux Redux Redoubled
For the last time (two previous posts here and here), here are the pertinent details that lead to my theory that Harry Potter is the sixth and final Horcrux created by Lord Voldemort to shield his soul from death:
Facts:
1) Lord Voldemort knows the …
Harry Potter: Horcrux
This post is also cross-posted on my personal blog, but it’s definitely worth sharing here.
For the last time (two previous posts here and here), here are the pertinent details that lead to my theory that Harry Potter is the sixth and final Hor…
I think the prophecy refers to Dumbledore and NOT Voldemort, Dumbledore must die so that Harry can live. In addition Dumbledore was a horcrux and Snape is actually good and knew this. This is why he made the pact with Malfoy’s mother. Because Dumbledore had to die so Harry could live and to destroy Voldemort. o DMBEST COMMENT EVER within the prophecy it is clearly reffering to THE DARK LORD. i am hoping that you are not so shortsighted as to see that dumbledore is not the dark lord, and seeing that besides voldemorts job interview, his only other incounter with dumbledore was at the ministry, where it plainly does not state that he went through the proccess to make dumbledore a horcrux. Although i believe that albuses death was planned and severus is still a good guy, dumbledore hopefully woldve told harry about him being a horcrux, as to not confuse him in his search for them in book 7.
I think that Harry could be a horcrux. Voldemort may have made him a horcrux when tryin to kill him accidentaly as a lot of u guys say. Maybe Voldemort hasn’t even realized this, and we know that avada kedabra never failed before, so we don’t know the effect for it. But talking about horcruxes, couldn’t be a possibility to take that part of Voldemort soul out of Harry? because we know that destroying the horcrux is a way to get rid of that part of the soul, but there might be a possbility to separate them again, just as Dumbledore purified the ring. If Voldemort had six horcruxes and one part of his soul inside him, the harry would be the seventh horcrux, made by mistake and this disables de magical properties of the seven, so when LV attacked Harry, he ended with his immortality, and all because of the effect of the love protection charm that Lily made on Harry with the Avada Kedabra.
Also I think that Dumbledore let Snape kill him to go and try to find out something about LV plans. Dumbledore wouldn’t let either Draco or Snape die because of the Unbreakable Vow, so he had to die. Dumbledore was such a wise wizard, he said that there were worse things than death, and maybe he knows a way to preserve himself from death, he wouldn’t just leave the Order of the Phoenix by themselves, he must be helping a bit… maybe through a picture or something like that. That goes also for Sirius, but I think they are both dead. Dumbledore died intentionally, that’s why Fawkes didn’t come out to help him, and Snape must have not killed him with an Avada Kedabra, because he would have really meant to kill him. He didn’t use words so maybe he used another spell.
I think that the parts of LV souls are in Lv himself, Harry accidentally, Nagini (that’s confirmed because Harry could see what Nagini did when attacking Arthur), the diary, the one Dumbledore destroyed which is Marvolo’s ring, the cup, the locket, which must be in Grimmauld Place or stolen as some people have said (I’ve read a couple of forums in this page). For the eight one (that would count six horcruxes, voldemort’s piece, and harry’s accidentally made horcrux) I agree with the theory of Ravenclaw’s wand, because ollivander’s shop is so old that there may be a lot of secrets in that place, that’s the reason why Mr’. Ollviander dissapeared, maybe he is searching for Ravenclaw’s wand or he knows where it is.
Neville is not a possibillity because as Dumbledore said, Voldemort chose Harry to be his enemy. At the end of the story, Harry will have already taken the horcrux form inside of him and will defeat Voldemort with the help of love, wuthout his wands both also, and I’m sure that Wormtail will help him, because of the bond he got when Harry saved him from death. Snape will try to protect Draco all the way in book 7 because LV will try to punish him because he didn’t murder Dumbledor. Obviously i think that Bellatrix and other bad guys will die or get their punishment. I still can’t think about the characters who will die in the seventh book, except for LV.
I thnik I’ve read so many forums that my theory has got to be quite possible, because I’ve been rereding the book also, and there are no contradictions to this.
Harry is absolutely the 6th Horcrux, and Dumbledore knew it (top of p. 333, Chamber of Secrets:
D: “. . . . Unless I’m much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I’m sure . . . . ”
H: “Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?” Harry said, thunderstruck.
D: “It certainly seems so”
Noway Harry is a horcrux!
If Voldemort was using lily or james as the murder to make harry one then why should he try to kill harry immediatly afterwards? and continue to try killing him in all the books? And anyway, you don’t just accidentally make a horcrux. It says in several places that it takes some seriously dark and advanced magic to make one.
Or maybe it just routine after making five pieces of soul.. oops, I did it again, whoopy, theres another one! Dunno… does that sound like the dark lord to you?
The A in RAB could be “Alphard”, the uncle. A lot of people have second names after their uncles, like Ron for instance. Somewhere i saw that RAB stood for Regulus Arcturus Black. Haven’t got a clue where they found that name though.
As Flameboyy just said, Snape could have used any spell that imitates the adava kedavra since the book is all about non-verbal spells and not letting others know what you intend to do.
Just not sure if the unbreakable vow can see through it all or if there is no time-limit to when he has to be killed.
Dumbledore and Snape planned that Snape would either kill or at least appear to kill Dumbledore. I don’t know if Dumbledore is actually dead – his death, like that of Sirious, occurs off set so it is hard to be sure. There is no need for Harry to die if he is a Horcrux. Dumbledore learned, and with Snape’s help, survived the process of removing the curse protecting LV soul contained in the ring. That knowledge will help remove LV’s soul from Harry as well. Also, how do we know exactly how Harry’s Mom died. Sure she begged to spare Harry’s life, but why would LV kill Harry and not her as well. He killed her not only because she could try to defend herself (and her son) but to use her and James to set the Horcrux spell into Harry. Using Harry as a Horcrux is great protection for LV. Even if he does not know the details of the proficy, LV assumes that it comes down to him or Harry. By making Harry his Horcrux, he has covered all possiblities. If he kills Harry, he does not need the bit of his soul that resided in Harry. If Harry kills LV, LV gets another chance to come back, reclaim his soul and try again.
I like the theory about Snape and Lilly. His distain for Harry is transferred jealousy of James whom Harry so resembles. Yet out of love for Lilly and loyality to Dumbledore, and perhaps hatred of LV, Snape prevents Harry from using and unforgivable curse. Snape was not just protecting himself, he was protecting Harry when he stopped Harry’s use of the Cruxis curse before his flight.